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I’ll be bringing one of these with me when I come back to Chengdu. Bleedin’ brilliant so it is. Question is how many internet connections can I get for my apartment….
This sounds like a great idea if you only have access to 4mb internet (like 90% of us). Has anyone done this before? Set up multiple home internet connections to a single residence? Is this even possible?
Andrew do you have a functioning model from the project? Or another model that uses the same principal? A bunch of people in the forums (and beyond) would be extremely interested in this here, myself included.
When are you returning? Maybe a few of us meeting for brunch or something to discuss how we can put this to use would be an idea, since many members aren’t so tech savvy, but nonetheless want for better interwebs. Skype is a case in point in China, it’s been next to useless for many lately.
I can’t imagine this working very well in China. Not unless they host one of their load balancing/vpn servers on the mainland, which isn’t going to happen. Even then they would need to multihome with telecom and unicom.
Aggregating internet connections is tricky. Their solution of running all connections through an external load balancer/vpn is inventive, but creates a bottleneck. All your lines need a solid fast connection to that one server. That server then needs a good connection to whatever service you require.
Hi All,
Justin Collery here from Multipath, the company that makes the router. Was looking through the interwebs and picked up this thread.
The bottleneck will be from you to the server, not from the server on.
One of the primary reasons for this project is to figure out where people want the servers. We could place them in China for maximum speed, or just outside to maximum browsing 🙂
If you get one of the units through Indiegogo we will let you know where the servers are, and you can change which one you are connected to manually, so you could switch from a Chinese server to a US server to a UK server etc. You will then an a US / UK ip address, as well as your bonded internet.
Typically the overhead of bonding is small, 5 – 15%, so if you have 2 x 4Mb lines, you will get a single connection of about 7.2Mbps.
But to get access to this we need you to pledge through our Indiegogo page. If we get a couple of hits from China we will then work with you so you have access to servers where ever you need.
I’ll keep an eye on the thread here if you have any questions.
Thanks,
Justin
Justin Collery here from Multipath, the company that makes the router. Was looking through the interwebs and picked up this thread.
The bottleneck will be from you to the server, not from the server on.
Awesome. Welcome, and thanks for clearing that up!
Question is how many internet connections can I get for my apartment…
This is the most important remaining question now.
Hi Justin,
Welcome to the forums.
The bottleneck will be from you to the server, not from the server on.
I’d like to know how you guarantee this. What kind of contention ratio are you using? How do you pick the DC in which the server is located? Places like HK have lots of choices.
You will then an a US / UK ip address, as well as your bonded internet.
Until a recent incident involving bittorrented MILF porn there was a ChengduLiving VPN which was hosted in the US. Since people will undoubtedly want to take advantage of the extra speed by downloading movies, tv shows etc. How do you intend to cope with this issue?
I’d like to know how you guarantee this. What kind of contention ratio are you using?
1:1. Our servers normally have between 100Mbps and 1Gbps internet connections and we do not overload them. We consider ourselves a virtual ISP, our selling point is speed. When our servers hit between 50 and 75% capacity we start commissioning new ones.
Since people will undoubtedly want to take advantage of the extra speed by downloading movies, tv shows etc. How do you intend to cope with this issue?
If required, we will ask for the destination ip address (where the traffic was going to, not coming from) and block that ip address. We keep no logs or records of traffic through our servers, so all we can do, and all we are required to do is block access to specified sites that contain copyrighted material, e.g. block access to Pirate Bay.
Did I read correctly that essentially with this service it will route your internet through the server and act as a kind of superspeed vpn?
Did I read correctly that essentially with this service it will route your internet through the server and act as a kind of superspeed vpn?
Yip, so you get two plusses, VPN with an ip address in a country of your choice, plus it adds the bandwidth from many internet connections, so it’s a very speedy / reliable VPN.
Will need to get it through Indiegogo though here :- http://igg.me/at/mpn/x/4812260
The current version of the router maxes out at about 30Mbps, the project is to get this up to 100Mbps (we have that in the lab already). If people want, we can send them the 30Mbps version and upgrade to the 100Mbps when it becomes available at no extra charge.
JC
Hi Justin, welcome to the forums and thanks so much for taking the time to answer questions. Now that you have I imagine you’ll be peaking the interest of a few users here, so perhaps we could arrange something via the forum (and indiegogo) for members willing to pledge. If you could guarantee what you’re promising I know I would definitely be interested both at home and for my business. All of us who’ve been in China for any length of time have suffered numerous woes when it comes to internet service and VPN’s. Perhaps some incentive from you, and I imagine you’d be hitting your target imminently.
Just a thought.
For sure! We use the system every day here. Right now the system is limited to 30Mbps, the project is to finish out our work to get that up to 100Mbps.
Any suggestions on the type of incentive I could give? Perhaps there is someone technical among the group that I could call and talk through how the system works?
Please let me know of any other way I can reassure. I know Andrew uses the system everyday when he is back in Ireland so he is also a point of reference, and is planning to being one with him when he heads back.
For sure! We use the system every day here. Right now the system is limited to 30Mbps, the project is to finish out our work to get that up to 100Mbps.
Any suggestions on the type of incentive I could give? Perhaps there is someone technical among the group that I could call and talk through how the system works?
Please let me know of any other way I can reassure. I know Andrew uses the system everyday when he is back in Ireland so he is also a point of reference, and is planning to being one with him when he heads back.
The most technical person that I know on the forum is Ben. Perhaps we can find answers to the remaining questions and ensure that this is of use to us here. If we can nail those things down, I would sign up for this also.
I think the answers already exist in the thread.
Ben mentioned the key problems, the response was:
“The bottleneck will be from you to the server”I think that’s the whole point. Commercial products already exist that enable link aggregation via multi-wan functionality, Cisco has one, and http://www.peplink.com/products/balance/ .. I don’t know why I’d want to go through another company’s server (which guarantees a slower connection), for downloads I’d like to not only 1) minimize hops between me and server/peers, and 2) minimize companies transferring my data. Separately, prefer individual client connections to establish VPNs or utilize proxy to access sites otherwise banned from within China, but piping all my connectivity through a 3rd party sounds terrible.
In Chengdu, I think China Telecom now offers 100mbit connections (although you wont likely relize that unless it’s a SUPER Local connection :D) to home..some homes anyways 😀 I don’t experience any slow internet these days, man, downloadin’ like a champ.
All that being said, if someone is bringing one here, I guess the proof will be in the pudding 🙂 No reason to really beat the horse til’ we know if it’s dead or not right..
In Chengdu, I think China Telecom now offers 100mbit connections (although you wont likely relize that unless it’s a SUPER Local connection
) to home..some homes anyways I saw that advertised on the side of a bus the other day…
Yes, you can have more ADSL connection at same place, for my direct experience for example, China Tietong and AIPU.
Thanks Collery for all the information…I think that’s the whole point. Commercial products already exist that enable link aggregation via multi-wan functionality, Cisco has one, and http://www.peplink.com/products/balance/ .. I don’t know why I’d want to go through another company’s server (which guarantees a slower connection)
If you want to aggregate, so add internet connection speeds you have to go through a server, the web site you are connecting two will not split the traffic across multiple links for you. If you do not connect to a server you are doing load balancing, which is a very different beast. Load balancing will do nothing to make your Skype calls more reliable or to stream Netflix better. The packets of data have to be split across your internet links and then put back into a single stream again before being sent onto the Internet proper again. That’s why the server is required.
What is different about our product to the others you mention is that we can handle any connection type, so you can bond say DSL with a local wireless AP, with a 3G/4G connection. Our system can deal with the different speeds / latencies and still give you 85%+ of the combined capacity.
For sure if you are connecting to a server in the US you will lose speed in transit, this is true for a single or bonded VPN type solution. But by bonding two or more internet connections you will still get x2 or more times the speed you would have otherwise.
If we locate servers in China, or close (few hops as possible as you say) then you will get the true aggregate of the connection speeds. That’s the beauty of the solution, if you want raw speed connect to a local aggregation server, if you want to have an external IP address, connect to one of our other servers (IE, UK, NL, US at the moment).
Thanks,
Justin
If we locate servers in China, or close (few hops as possible as you say) then you will get the true aggregate of the connection speeds.
Have you investigated hosting in China? It’s very expensive and the whole of China is split between Unicom (Netcom) and Telecom. Peering between these networks if awful. This means, for example, that if you host with telecom then you won’t be able to effectively aggregate a unicom dsl and a telecom dsl.
As for hosting outside, the GFW does a lot of traffic shaping and filtering that constantly changes. It’s not as simple as saying it’s only a few hops to HK therefore you will get the true aggregate connection speed. You have a very complicated dynamic traffic monitoring/filtering system in the way, in addition to China’s weird screwed up peering.
You have a very complicated dynamic traffic monitoring/filtering system in the way, in addition to China’s weird screwed up peering.
Nightmare! But an interesting example of how you might benefit. The software automatically adapts to the changing bandwidths available on each link very quickly, basically in the time it takes a packet of data to be sent and received. In a perfect world you would have a link from Unicom and a second from Telekom. If Unicom is congested, the traffic will favour Telekom, and vice versa. If they are both congested, we’ll your in a bad place anyway! Of course, we do not live in a perfect world so getting a link from both operators may be difficult.
But the basic use case stands. If you are looking to traverse the GFW you will face the same congestions issues, except that by having more than one connection means you get 2, 3 or 4 slices of the pie and so get a faster connection that you otherwise would.
Great link on China peering BTW. I am guessing for ex-pats services outside rather the inside China will be more interesting? China servers would like be in HK, but this will be based on feedback from people such as those on this forum! 🙂
Justin
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