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hello,i have ICBC bank account too,and i went to other country,it works,can withdraw money through ATM. And when you apply ICBC account,you didn’t ask the online tools?there are a small one that can help you use it online.have you tried to ask your country’s bank,how to solve it?
Does your ICBC card have a magnetic stripe on the back of it? The black strip?
If yes, what country did you use it in?
I’m curious as to whether or not normal payments will work in a store, because here I can just insert my card a little for the chip to be read – and that is enough, it doesn’t use the magnetic strip.
So, maybe I can pay for stuff like that… I’ll try something small.It should work fine, I’d just prefer cash!
I have online banking but no usb tool needed to verify online transfers…
Ok, I understand.
Thanks for your input 🙂Just good to know the different kind of options etc. Interesting stuff I think.
About that Canadian link, the issue there is about entering China, and whether or not the person entering ‘has a Chinese passport’, even if maybe not eligible, they are being treated as Chinese nationals.
It’s something that is understandable – as long as the person legally is a citizen (whether they have the papers/passport etc) – then China should treat them as a citizen. Just the case with USA, if you are a citizen and you enter, you have to use your USA passport and be treated like a citizen, you are not allowed to use your XYZ passport.
But yeah, if these ethnically Chinese people don’t technically have citizenship for whatever reasons (for example the parents renounced etc) – but China is making them do it anyway, then that is a problem and that’s why I think people are getting upset there.Cool Ben, thanks for the information. 🙂
Yes, I understand the daughter is both citizens of UK and China, no problem.
I only really replied to your part because of “He does not want to get her a British passport as that would be illegal.”
– But I understand now that you agree that sentence is incorrect, of course lying/hiding visa stuff could be a crime, but simply getting or possessing the passport alone is ok, and can be done.I wasn’t aware China was so strict in that they don’t let you leave the country if you don’t have a visa for the UK, etc.
You are sure China wouldn’t accept seeing the UK passport as your ‘visa’/whatever to make them understand that you are allowed to go to the UK? It’s so sad when countries are so strict.
(I don’t pretend to know the laws)Or wouldn’t the easiest + fastest thing just be going to Hong Kong?
I assume the visa thing that Chinese people need to enter Hong Kong is relatively easy to obtain…? And once you get there, use the UK passport to enter.I can’t see any crime happening… no trickery, no playing the rules, whatever, seems totally clean.
Or, is it a problem to even get the UK passport from the embassy?
The right of abode is a better solution you think, and then later get the passport?Personally if it was me, I would rather China not even know that I have right of abode in another country, and keep my citizenships separate to each other.
As a side note, I had a little look online and it seems that with the UK right of abode in a passport like a Chinese one, you can’t use it to go to the schengen area. A bit limiting – and depending on the countries you travel though if not direct to the UK, you will need a schengen visa…?
Regardless of countries/culture/citizenship/people, I’m happy I don’t have and am not limited to a Chinese passport!
You might want to contact the bank or do some research on Google. I have never had a problem with any Unionpay Chinese bank card at a Unionpay-supported ATM outside of the country.
Hi, thanks Charlie. Yes, in my country/many countries, unionpay is supported. It’s just the fact that this ICBC card doesn’t have a magnetic strip.
My CCB card with one works fine.
ICBC won’t be able to help me because, I’m out of the country.
For example, they wouldn’t send me a card with a magnetic strip to me, they wouldn’t simply transfer my money to another account over the phone, etc.After looking it up on the internet I saw other people who had problems with their ICBC card (due to theirs not having the strip) – and no solutions.
Instead of my above idea of sending my card+pin to someone trusted, now I think the best way will be to send my sim card to someone trusted, and transfer the money via Alipay. The friend would then just tell me the security code on the sms.
It sounds a bit of a hassle, but it’s cheaper than going to China just for this!
(But any other ideas are welcome!)
I’m not a lawyer but any children of a British citizen are British, I’m quite certain it is as simple as that, no matter where you are born.
His daughter is Chinese. He wants a British right of abode stamp in her Chinese passport so that she may travel to the UK whenever she wishes. He does not want to get her a British passport as that would be illegal.
A little late to reply but:
Yes, his daughter is Chinese. But his daughter is also British.
Why would getting a British passport be illegal?
You do know that you don’t need a passport to be a citizen, yes?
Do you mean China does not want people have have multiple nationalities, and that that is illegal? Or, just the possession of another countries passport?
Even if so, that is China’s problem, not the daughter or father’s.
If you are REALLY worried about the law and you are certain China is so strict like that, well, you had better do something about it because like it or not, the daughter is British, so the ‘crime’ is done!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law#British_citizenship_by_descent
Immediately, as soon as the daughter was born, she was a British citizen. Whether China recognizes that or not, it doesn’t matter! China has no control over British citizenship (and thankfully so!) – China cannot prevent/send you to prison for your daughter automatically acquiring citizenship due to the law of another country.
Some countries, don’t want you to have multiple nationalities, and if you accept one, then you lose your original one. I think China is like this, but I’m sure we all know how strange China can be with laws… ha. And it can be different when we compare ‘naturalizing’ (applying for and becoming) with ‘acquired by birth’. Some of these strict countries don’t care/can’t care/don’t even know ‘turn a blind eye’.
Just as a thought, I would imagine IF people had to choose between having British citizenship and having Chinese citizenship. The child can still live in China fine and legally (if the father+monther can, baby can too), but in the international world, considering things like visas etc, a Chinese passport isn’t great, British is much better.
I have read so many people writing junk about multiple nationalities, once I saw someone say ‘How can you be loyal to more than one country?’…
I know first hand of people with similar sorts of situations with their children, not knowing/***not having the citizenship they should, having to get visas each time they travel to the parent’s country. – Just because of ignorance and bad information.
*** as I said above to the UK, for that you do HAVE it, no action required, it is immediate at birth, but still, if you don’t know that, yes you may be messing about with visas and rights of abode and papers for a long time if you don’t know that you can get the UK passport for travel back there. Different countries different rules, but here the father is from the UK.
For the USA it is a federal offense(!) for a citizen to travel back not as a citizen, for example, if you use your ‘other’ passport, or don’t get your child the USA passport they are entitled to. (I doubt any conviction would happen, just – that is the technical law)If I am wrong about anything above, please tell me, as you can maybe tell I’m quite interested in ‘citizenship’, so I don’t want to make mistakes and will be happy to be corrected!
Thanks 🙂
I think I read it is used if you want to exchange a lot of money at a bank, although maybe some other document could be used instead.
Thanks for that Charlie!
I don’t really mind them looking after it, just if it really should be with me then I would pressure them into it, just to remind them they don’t own me.
🙂(Although I don’t think it will be possible for me to have both my CCB and ICBC accounts on my Alipay because CCB put my name in the style as LASTNAME FIRSTNAME whilst ICBC has FIRSTNAME LASTNAME, and the exact name has to match up with the order/name on your Alipay account.
I’m not sure how simple it would be for the bank to change my name!)Also keep in mind that to verify your Alipay account (not totally needed to buy stuff from my experience) you need to upload a picture of your visa/passport, but they only accept a bunch of countries, so if your country is not there, then you are out of luck.
edit… I just read the link I posted https://cshall.alipay.com/lab/help_detail.htm?help_id=255266 (that I found in February 2015 when I was having trouble), and now it seems that CCB does support passport verification… good! So, give it a go and make an Alipay account 🙂
@Mizzdrey – from my own experiences, foreigners cannot use Alipay with a CCB account. Although we can set up online payments/banking with CCB, to verify a payment via Alipay CCB requires a Chinese ID, it does not allow a passport number.
https://cshall.alipay.com/lab/help_detail.htm?help_id=255266
Some other banks DO allow passport number verification.
CCB may have changed their rules in the last year, but I’m not sure.With online payments set up + CCB, you still can buy some stuff online, I think you can still use Unionpay payments, and sign up for a Chinese Paypal account, (c2 paypal), but not Alipay, at least last time I checked.I eneded up opening an ICBC account, and you can use Alipay as much as you want 🙂 With ICBC, the online banking can even be in English(!).From what I read online, it seems some banks are weird, I think it was China Merchants Bank, that someone could not make/verify an Alipay account, but they could still use the online banking payment on Taobao — but for CCB this was not the case and no matter what I could not pay via CCB (which matches the webpage I linked up above)I’m not a lawyer but any children of a British citizen are British, I’m quite certain it is as simple as that, no matter where you are born.
Not just ‘right of abode’, but your child is a citizen.You should just have to do whatever paperwork the British embassy wants you to do. Call them up, surely they will be able to give advice.
I was ready to test and buy something last night but after setting up a bank account + online banking, and verifying my Alipay account, right at the end when I need to pay I see that CCB requires that I enter an ID number. https://cshall.alipay.com/lab/help_detail.htm?help_id=255266
I can only laugh. So, I guess I will change to ICBC!Wow, very cool stuff about the automated lockers – but yeah I’m pretty sure in my apartment building we don’t have that.
So every package is tracked? That is good to know if so.
Thanks for the helpYour phone number will be on your Taobao account. The courier will call and bring it to you if you’re home, if not they can leave it with security guards and you pick it up when you get home. It’s pretty simple actually, I’ve never had a problem. Although when couriers call you, they will never be speaking Mandarin, always Sichuan dialect in my experience. They can be difficult to understand. Just tell them 我在家 (I am home) or 放在门卫 (leave it with the guard), there’s not really much more to say. Good luck!
Excellent, thanks Charlie – sure, I’ll give it a go with something cheap the first time around. That doesn’t sound too difficult, the key useful phrases will be useful, I appreciate it!
