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seriously guys I have 3 vpn, 2 for UK and 1 for USA all for 360rmb for 1 year. why would anyone want to pay 140rmb pcm?
serious rip off!!
Quote:Apart from it being natural to engage anyone posting in the thread by responding, I don’t see any coercion beyond asking for opinion. The ‘opinion’ given in return needn’t be damning or inflammatory by default, that remains the choice of any individual posting. Further, if we’re not engaging Chinese born citizens in the forum, we’re missing out on an opportunity to gain new perspectives, then debate them if we feel so inclined.Geographical freedoms aside, perceived or otherwise, we should be encouraging debate wherever it is possible. To be flippant, dismissive, or state the obvious, is to be short of depth or substance. A perfect recipe for status quo (I’m trying not to be too subtle there). 😀
regardless of what you want to initiate the right of a person not to give a full explanation of their stance is their right. For whatever reason.
To then goad the person is just ignorant to the other persons “right of choice”
For a debate we all have to understand the boundaries in place whether visible or not. People live in fear “fact” and we have to respect that some people do not have the freedom of the west.
To be cautious of your actions whether physical or in word format shows shows a certain amount of fear.
This is an open forum and therefore readable by everyone and in some peoples eyes that makes them over-cautious. if you want a true debate with no restrictions then in private where the words cannot be read by those who could cause a poster problems (not that any post would cause a problem) would be the obvious route.
what you have to accept is people will not post the full meanings of their stance and you can like or not, geographical freedoms are paramount to the native chinese on a forum such as this.
To conclude: I doubt any clash between China and America there is too much to lose on both sides.
Quote:Apart from it being natural to engage anyone posting in the thread by responding, I don’t see any coercion beyond asking for opinion. The ‘opinion’ given in return needn’t be damning or inflammatory by default, that remains the choice of any individual posting. Further, if we’re not engaging Chinese born citizens in the forum, we’re missing out on an opportunity to gain new perspectives, then debate them if we feel so inclined.Geographical freedoms aside, perceived or otherwise, we should be encouraging debate wherever it is possible. To be flippant, dismissive, or state the obvious, is to be short of depth or substance. A perfect recipe for status quo (I’m trying not to be too subtle there). 😀
regardless of what you want to initiate the right of a person not to give a full explanation of their stance is their right. For whatever reason.
To then goad the person is just ignorant to the other persons “right of choice”
For a debate we all have to understand the boundaries in place whether visible or not. People live in fear “fact” and we have to respect that some people do not have the freedom of the west.
To be cautious of your actions whether physical or in word format shows shows a certain amount of fear.
This is an open forum and therefore readable by everyone and in some peoples eyes that makes them over-cautious. if you want a true debate with no restrictions then in private where the words cannot be read by those who could cause a poster problems (not that any post would cause a problem) would be the obvious route.
what you have to accept is people will not post the full meanings of their stance and you can like or not, geographical freedoms are paramount to the native chinese on a forum such as this.
To conclude: I doubt any clash between China and America there is too much to lose on both sides.
Brendan and Rick,
I understand both of your view points. However, we also have to accept we are not the ones who live in fear. We understand we can speak our minds and have opinions. Again, people have those too in China but are unwilling to air them in public.
As we may not be aware that even for a national in this country to have an opinion may come at a cost we the visitors do not understand as an earlier post pointed out this mind set has been ingrained over the past 60 years.
If someone is unwilling to enter further into a discussion that is their choice and they are free to exercise such a choice. whilst, goading a person into making a response may result in untold consequences for that person should they respond.
We from the West have a luxury called freedom so to speak. however, our freedom is relative to our country of origin. at this point you should have realised that those in china of chinese origin have their own relative freedom in relation to their country.
bottomline: all freedom is relative to the country of your origin and people who come from different countries should not demand others to exercise what they see as “freedom” on others.
😀
Brendan and Rick,
I understand both of your view points. However, we also have to accept we are not the ones who live in fear. We understand we can speak our minds and have opinions. Again, people have those too in China but are unwilling to air them in public.
As we may not be aware that even for a national in this country to have an opinion may come at a cost we the visitors do not understand as an earlier post pointed out this mind set has been ingrained over the past 60 years.
If someone is unwilling to enter further into a discussion that is their choice and they are free to exercise such a choice. whilst, goading a person into making a response may result in untold consequences for that person should they respond.
We from the West have a luxury called freedom so to speak. however, our freedom is relative to our country of origin. at this point you should have realised that those in china of chinese origin have their own relative freedom in relation to their country.
bottomline: all freedom is relative to the country of your origin and people who come from different countries should not demand others to exercise what they see as “freedom” on others.
😀
guys,
if the girl posts what she thinks she can expect a knock on the door so to speak. Use a little common sense?
there are some things a person cannot say on here especially when holding a chinese passport. Accept that she has views but cannot express them. look how careful she was in her choice of words and fill in the gaps for yourselves.
Cheers
Rich
guys,
if the girl posts what she thinks she can expect a knock on the door so to speak. Use a little common sense?
there are some things a person cannot say on here especially when holding a chinese passport. Accept that she has views but cannot express them. look how careful she was in her choice of words and fill in the gaps for yourselves.
Cheers
Rich
Hi all,
was reading this thread and thinking well you know from my exerience of chinese students back in the UK (of which I have had 2) and now being here doing some work in their labs.
It boils down to they are one of the least patient people I have ever come across.
For Example: you make your samples and they freeze dry over night. rather than waiting (as they know opening the equipent renders the samples already in it as as good as a stale turd) they open it put their samples in it. Then they think you will not notice or say anything.
Now this experience I observed in the UK where I just thougth it was best to re-train the students and it worked.
Seconly, their students are “experts” sorry guys you have no background knowledge you see a journal manuscript and think you can copy and repeat it and when it goes wrong the published manuscript was wrong or the equipment is broken.
well that just seems the way things are done not only in Chengdu but also in Beijing.
Hi all,
was reading this thread and thinking well you know from my exerience of chinese students back in the UK (of which I have had 2) and now being here doing some work in their labs.
It boils down to they are one of the least patient people I have ever come across.
For Example: you make your samples and they freeze dry over night. rather than waiting (as they know opening the equipent renders the samples already in it as as good as a stale turd) they open it put their samples in it. Then they think you will not notice or say anything.
Now this experience I observed in the UK where I just thougth it was best to re-train the students and it worked.
Seconly, their students are “experts” sorry guys you have no background knowledge you see a journal manuscript and think you can copy and repeat it and when it goes wrong the published manuscript was wrong or the equipment is broken.
well that just seems the way things are done not only in Chengdu but also in Beijing.
hey man there are loads of software (freeware) on the net that can recover data.
one example is RecoverMyFiles costs $69 but I am sure there will be a torrent.
SO why bother giving someone your cash??
also try this: (freeware and it worked for me)
Rich
hey man there are loads of software (freeware) on the net that can recover data.
one example is RecoverMyFiles costs $69 but I am sure there will be a torrent.
SO why bother giving someone your cash??
also try this: (freeware and it worked for me)
Rich
With the exception of the SPITTING I would have to say you can live with them. But again the spitting did occur in Beijing. Have they not heard of TB etc?
But after being in Beijing you ignore it.
With the exception of the SPITTING I would have to say you can live with them. But again the spitting did occur in Beijing. Have they not heard of TB etc?
But after being in Beijing you ignore it.
Well lets face it they say what they mean and mean what they say. Its no the USA or Europe so we have to accept it is the way things are. It is not for us the guests of this country to tell them what is right/wrong.
Plus just look at the fashion industry in the western world that is just as bad if not worse.
